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Astera Zandraki
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2015.03.20 11:51:08 -
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Taking slaves off any and all markets would be better. The idea that it's alright to treat people as chattel is really ****** up. |
Astera Zandraki
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2015.03.21 11:32:52 -
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The Leopardess wrote:Astera Zandraki wrote:Taking slaves off any and all markets would be better. The idea that it's alright to treat people as chattel is really ****** up. Ha! As opposed to just murdering people like you do? Hypocritical little snot! You ARE God's slave and he will reclaim you inevitably, even if there were no Amarr you would still have to face Retribution and Reclamation.
You call me a murderer? Yea, I guess you're right, I've fought and killed people, I of course regret having to do such a thing but it is a necessary evil. In as much as you have the conviction and my Cousin Samira has the conviction to fight for what you believe in, I must defend freedom.
I must defend the right to worship as you desire, the right to think and speak as you desire, the right to love as you desire the right to choose your own government and to hold that government to account should it be found wanting. The Federation holds at it's core the most noble of ideas: to end suffering, real, actual suffering, can you say the same? |
Astera Zandraki
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2015.03.21 12:59:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:That idea does not seem really effective...
We're never going to succeed, the nobility is in trying. Additionally, the Federation is a dynamic economic and cultural powerhouse, we're doing just great! |
Astera Zandraki
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2015.03.21 13:56:09 -
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Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Even sansha supporters can say the same.
Even Blood Raiders claim a monopoly on God. |
Astera Zandraki
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2015.03.21 14:18:18 -
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Utari Onzo wrote:The Federation proudly, and loudly proclaims it wishes to protect freedom, yet it still holds the Caldari home planet under occupation. I guess those core values only go so far.
Where were the parades of victory when the Caldari Navy 'liberated' Caldari Prime? Where we're the throngs of happy children and civilians giving soldiers flowers? There was none of that, because the actual inhabitants of Caldari Prime were, on the whole, doing fine, until war was thrust on them.
Now, here's the thing about the Federation: we **** up, every nation does. The bombardment of Caldari prime in the old war was a vile crime and, in my opinion, if it would bring peace I'd be happy to give Caldari Prime to the State. Now, Roden might disagree with me, but I can still dissent from his view without fear for my life, job or freedom. |
Astera Zandraki
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2015.03.21 15:52:16 -
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Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Judging by your response you aren't buying what you are trying to sell, so why spew all this "noble of ideas" nonsense.
Just because I don't think an end to all pointless suffering is possible, doesn't mean we shouldn't strive for it? It is very much like perfection, not possible; but that shouldn't stop you. |
Astera Zandraki
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2015.03.21 15:53:55 -
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Utari Onzo wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:Utari Onzo wrote:The Federation proudly, and loudly proclaims it wishes to protect freedom, yet it still holds the Caldari home planet under occupation. I guess those core values only go so far. The planet is currently under a joint collaboration between the Federation and the Ishukone corporation. While still under the sovereignity of the Federation. That's still occupation.
Why don't you ask the people who live there to pass judgement in that?
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Astera Zandraki
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2015.03.21 22:15:43 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Astera Zandraki wrote:
Why don't you ask the people who live there to pass judgement in that?
Hang on, just let me ethnically cleanse whole districts and ship in freighter loads of good Forge district families and THEN we'll take that vote. You know. Like the Federation did.
It's been centuries since that mistake, and that's exactly what the Caldari/Gallente war was, a mistake. If you want your real enemy, Pieter you should look as you always have, to your 'ally' |
Astera Zandraki
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2015.03.26 03:36:02 -
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Esna Pitoojee wrote:Absolutely signed. The current system is both detrimental to the upholding of Imperial law and encourages the trade of illegal slaves; I think this is a rare case in which all four of the empires can absolutely agree something should be done.
Hey look, a holder I can have a shred of respect for! |
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